"Beyond Faith" – A Dialogue

CE:  Vibrations are a building block from which the Earth is created. For instance, we do not see colors actually, we see the vibrations from the colors, and our eyes have the capability of changing these vibrations into that which we think is a color. We have that ability, but animals do not. They see everything within the gray scale. There are frequencies of vibrations - you have that which you see with your eyes, then you go up in vibration and it is that which you see in color - then you go up in frequency and you find the vibrations which you can hear - then you continue going up in vibration and you come to those frequencies which are radio frequencies. Then you go on up to X-Rays, and I know heat and cold have levels of vibration, and then you continue going up the scale until you can see through things by X-Ray. Those are the highest which they have scientifically investigated so far.

LK:  God is drawing His sons beyond the realm of "faith" as we have known it, into a state of being, a state of knowing. This has to do with the whole level of sonship which is coming. You must come to the place where God can really get you out of the way, so that what He is in you can begin to have free course. We must be more driven to find a way of walking out of the limitations of time as we have known it.

CE:  These things in the natural realm show you the amount of power that can be released. And of course God invented that. And we have seen demonstrations of things being destroyed by vibrations coming into resonance. So we know how much power there is in the natural level. And oneness is understanding and using this. And it is in the natural level, but it will be multiplied more and more on the spiritual level.

LK:  Moses knew the Ways of the Lord, while the Children of Israel only saw His acts. We must learn the ways of the Lord.  God is bringing His people into a level of control, and teaching them how to move in that control. . We will find this level of oneness or agreement to be a level of an interpenetration of God and man. Oneness is not some passive agreement, where you give yourself passively, it is very intense.  Coming into Christ we are a new creation, but we are speaking about another "new" creation that we have not seen. And this is dealing with sonship. And it is something much more volatile, and this is the level of oneness that we will experience. And when we achieve this, we will know how to do it, and we will know how to access it when we want to access it.

LC:  We are talking about how Jesus walked. I always knew that it was based on vibration. The same with auras, it is not the colors, it is the vibration. Everything is vibration. When they approached Jesus to take him captive, He was able to change His vibration and walk right through them. It wasn’t a coincidence, it was attaining that vibrational level, really the control of that vibrational level where you can shift it to accomplish whatever is because matter as we know it, is only a mass of vibration together.

CE:  A wall has a vibration to it, just like every part of our being has a natural vibration. And for example a wall is made up of a bunch of molecules and atoms, and actually the space in between them is a lot greater than the solidity of it. The reason we can’t walk thru a wall is because we have a different natural frequency, and so it blocks it out. But if you could come in tune with that wall, you could walk thru it, because there are massive holes between the matter. And this explains how Jesus changed his vibrations to walk thru walls. He became visible and invisible.

LC:  And it was something that was at His beckon call, it wasn’t just a coincidental thing. Something you call a miracle - is to be a way of life. The term miracle to the sons of God is really unbelief, because it is a limitation. We are talking about entering into a state or vibration where we are able to totally bypass natural or normal laws and enter into the laws of the Spirit in which we were created. And this is how healing and different things will happen - like Peter and James walking thru the temple to pray; when their auras fell on them their vibration was on such a level that when they passed by it was just like a tuning fork - it affected them. It shifted the vibration of whoever it was they passed, Just like when you take a picture of a leaf, if part of it is gone, the aura or vibration still remains of the entirety of that leaf.

What God is bringing forth now is not a coincidence, is an understanding of the ways of God. That is why when Samuel would come to town that they would ask why he has come. Because he could just pass thru the town and destroy it, and he wouldn’t even be trying to do anything. Because everything had to line up with his pitch, his tone.

CE:  And it doesn’t take many to affect a change on this level. God always moved with a remnant, a handful.

LC:  I agree totally. And these things are something that God is emphasizing, and this is what we need to lay hold of. Understanding the vibrational levels. Just like if you touch someone, you feel the vibrations. And that is why when you talk to people about seeing in the spirit, the majority of them say they can feel or sense it, but they can’t see it. Seeing it is the least part of it, because it is the feeling of the vibrations. It is the energy there. And that is what we are learning to do, not only harness energy, but to manipulate it in the manner that God was able to impart to Jesus on down to us, that we need to get back into.

Understanding the vibrations of words and people is what will stop the saying "if possible, even the elect would be deceived". You see you can be deceived by words, but you won’t be deceived by the vibrations that come, because you will sense those vibrations. When Jesus spoke to the disciples on the way to Emmaus, their response to one another was, "Didn’t your heart leap within you when He spoke..." Didn’t the vibes react when those words were coming. It is all vibration and energies. And seeing is a nice part of it, but it is the ability to feel and sense, because the eyes or color part of it is just a coating, but the true thing is to feel. We are being taught by being immersed right into it. And God is not only showing the things, but He is giving the answers. How many times when we were taught to bless people and lay hands on them, what did we do - we would bring up their vibration.

LK:  We spoke of knowing - the process of learning is not a mental thing. We hear and understand. But, to learn is to experience. Jesus would do, then teach. He would bring them into the experience, and then explain it to them. And this is what God is bringing people into. God is bringing His sons into the full experience of these things, and you will have the understanding. To know these things, to KNOW the Lord, not in the mind, but on such a deep interactive, interpenetrating level of experience, this is what God is bringing forth now.

LC:  If you have to be told, then you will miss it. Because it will be an experiencing and an affecting. Like the tuning fork, you bring everything into the same vibration.

LK:  Meetings will shift and become an impartation of an experience, rather than some mental thing. And to the degree that people are open will determine their ability to enter into the experience. The teaching will shift and be born out of another plane and you will be able to bring people into a deeper experience.

LC:  People will walk in and be instantly changed, and they are changed because their vibrations are already set to a certain level, they just need that pitch. And they will walk in, and they will be caught right up.

CE:  Everyone of us have had times where we ministered or prayed for someone and had it happen. Like that. So, I keep asking the Lord, Why doesn’t this happen all of the time. And He says, Well, you’ve got a lot to learn yet. And we do. And by that learning I guess we will walk into whatever we experienced on a higher level, all of the time.

LC:  It will become a permanent state, to be able to, even in our experimenting, be on such a vibrational level to walk people in and watch them change without even knowing. It is that state of heart and mind. And this is where the contention is, we are contending to make it a plane of existence, instead a place we visit. We enter into this with an intensified focus that will refuse to settle for anything less - and will not be satisfied with a trickle. We are interested in breaking into true sonship. And as a many membered body. We have seen certain ones tap into these things - but we are talking about a group, a company of people - and then you will find that we will get into the exponential release. We are talking about an exponential Jesus.

CE: And geometric progression - that is what spreads it.

LK:  The scripture says that for a season the children of the world were wiser than the children of God.... And this has been true, whether it was the Hindus or Buddhists - they tapped into the spirit realm and some of the keys, but it is time to enter in and have those keys, and if we need some walls around Jericho to fall down, we will know how to do it. We will affect a level of vibration.

LC:  Exactly. Look at all the examples. They shouted (Charles - Right, that is what happened). I mean, you talk about the seals being taken off the book, I don’t care how they interpret it, there are still keys there that can’t be touched, and everyone has to acknowledge that those walls did fall down. It was the vibration. God has examples throughout the scriptures, but if you can’t see it, then you can’t see it.

CE:  It took them 7 circuits to reach that vibration, but they did.

LC:  Right, and each time it was like winding a top. Each revolution it spins more and more until you get your vibration up so high, that the word was when they shouted, and everyone’s vibration just went boom.

CE:  And probably on each circuit they were learning. The Lord was feeding them.

LC:  We don’t want to be like a Peter, where we get our vibes up so high that we walk on water, then all of a sudden we let our vibes go down and sink. If he would have kept his vibes up, he would have walked on straight across. We have experienced that Peter syndrome. Instead of going back to build ourselves a boat, we need just to get our vibes up higher. Because we have had the example - and the word says that greater things than these shall we do....