"Entering Into The Mantle of Sonship"

(This transcript of a meeting which took place on May 7, 2000 is presented with very little editing. These words are as they came. It is not our desire to convince anyone concerning this teaching, but to share what the Lord is speaking.)

LC: The word talks about "not one word falling to the ground." In our religious concepts we always thought that meant carrying the word and fumbling it and just before it got to the ground, somebody's going to run in and scrape it up and they're going to run with it until somebody tackles them--and you know, it's lateral. It is not that. It is that the essence, the energy, of this word is existing out there--almost like in slots. When someone comes along and their energies are the same, it comes to them. So therefore somebody could be walking around without even an awareness of what's going on, their energies are meeting there and they are going to receive this blessing. That's why they say, "The last shall be first and the first shall be last." It's not in the way we think. It's just that the same essence, this purity level is there at the beginning and is going to be there for those who come at the end when they tap into it. When he spoke this word, that energy was out there, and we just connected with that energy and we had a fulfillment.

We will find that in so many other things. God speaks a word and releases an energy. That energy doesn't fall to the ground. If no one hears it, it doesn't die. It just exists there for a time where someone will come and enter into it-- like we talk about "entering into a rest." It's there. So you are going to have a lot of people, like us for example, that will come along and harness all this. You know, most of the time unbeknownst to any of our expertise, we're just out here doing it. But because of the right heart and the right preparation, we get on this vibrational level that helps these words complete. But that's why the word says, "They, without us, are incomplete." If they had completed whatever they were to do, it would have been completed. But in a sense it is not completed; it still remains to be completed. We are the finishers--they talk about the progenitors of a new age. This is how this age is being framed without the restraint of religion or Christianity, but with the basic foundation of the operating principles. Just to make it simple, you just believe.

LK: That's why you can take someone who, although God has prepared their heart, may have no knowledge about God, religion or Christianity. But, they are open and can reach in with the purity of their heart and tap into the covering and move right into the fulfillment of that Word. We don't see it, but then all of a sudden somebody has worked into this level just out of nowhere--just because it's there, and they begin to walk in it. Adversely you can have unbelievers out there who might be off the wall, but yet that Word is not a respecter of who is going to fulfill it. Whether it is the sons of God and the anointed, or whether it's otherwise.

LC: If Paul hadn't come along and been Paul, Joe Blow could have come along been the same as Paul, because he tapped into that energy.

JK: It's the same thing with a gift of the spirit or a mantle. If somebody doesn't walk in something, it doesn't stop. The Lord speaks, and that is more real than anything else.

LK: The world is coming into more and more of an understanding that what you do creates. Our voices, our actions all create and they continue to stay in a state of that creation. They don't dematerialize because you have gone on to another episode, so it is the same principle. It's here, hovering.

LC: It's like the principle of matter, where on the natural plane you can

only alter it. You can't destroy it. That same principle works throughout the whole dimensional existence that we are coming into. But it has never been explained on that level. Now it's taking it to the next level. Jesus walked the earth--I hate to even refer to him like that because it strikes up too many of the wrong connotations--but the Jesus that we are relating to is not this religious concept of some Jew walking in the desert 2000 years ago. It is an essence of energy that came on the earth and showed us how to transcend into that energy which becomes the ultimate--one with the Father. You say, "Call on the name of Jesus and be saved!" If you go out here and holler "Jesus" too long, you may find Jesus Gonzales will run down the street and start talking to you. It is not the name. It is the energy that this Jesus represented. His name could have been Shamu. His energy had connection with the Father--that made Him able to do all these things.

LK: That came from a question written a couple months ago. Someone had said, "We've read a lot of your articles, but you don't say much about the name of Jesus, and the name of Jesus is above every other name according to scripture." So that kind of got us going. It's not the name; it's the vibration.

JK: One knows the name and the other one knows Him.

LC: We're talking about Jesus the Christ consciousness.

LK: We were talking about this recently. God began to speak to me about love. It kind of came in a waking scenario in the early morning, but I saw it like I never saw it before, and it was about love. The love that we are moving in is our immunity, and because of that same love nothing is going to be able to touch us. The same love that Christ had. The enemy came and could find nothing in him, and yet it wasn't some sympathetic thing.

LC: See, it is not love like we know it, or obedience. It is a combination of both that we are moving into that we are seeing these things happen. We are in a time of judgment right now in the realm of spirit. But we are in a time of obedient judgment. He said, "When your obedience is full then I will avenge all disobedience." After that comes the punitive judgment--where He said, "Son of Man go speak to this." You know. This is where we are at right now. Obedient judgment is where mercy exists. Once you get past that judgment, the punitive, then it is all over with. That is the judgment that kills the babies and the animals and burns the land--totally destroys. With obedient judgment, there is still a chance for a change. Because of what we have given ourselves to, to come in to on our own. You see, a walk with God is a relationship with Him and a personal connection with Him that is not born out of a group of churches or a doctrine or anything. It is out of your personal experience with Him. So we enter into it or are passing through. We're in some phase of it now. So we are seeing obedient judgment and it is creating all the changes. But there will come a time soon, if not already, when we will be directed to hit things. But all this does not come from praying and working yourself into it like we thought. If we worked on ourselves and worked up enough fervor, God would answer our prayer. But it is the opposite. Because of the diligence and obedience you have to give yourself to Him, you enter into a judgment simply by His presence. That's an obedient judgment.

It is not a hard thing. "My yoke is easy, my burden is light." And you're going to try to whip yourself up into something that you are going to perform in the flesh. But what He's saying, is you just tap into the energy. And that's what's going to make it work. The corrections come by the presence of the energy. You take this energy of the Christ consciousness into you and it works in you. You don't have to point or say anything else. But to the degree that it works in you, everything around you is going to bring it forth, because it changes all the energy. That's the way that prayer, judgment--all of this stuff works. We just had it backwards. We thought if we worked ourselves into something then it would work. It is not that. We just had it backwards. You know it was just like those sons of Sceva who said, "By this Jesus that Paul preaches." If it was in a name then it would have worked then. But it is a whole energy that Paul was connected to that made this Jesus dude work for him. It wasn't just calling a name. It means that you still have to have a king.

The biggest gripe that God always had with His people was that they always had to have an intermediary. Somebody to go to Him for them. "You go talk to God, here, I'll give you whatever, you go do it!" But it is not like that. It is a personal relationship with God, so that out of your contact, out of your experiences and exchanges of energy, you come into a rest or a peace so that you are able to be a free conduit so that His spirit and His essence can flow through you. It almost seems too simple.

LK: Our vision is not large enough to encompass what God is bringing about. The word says, "Eye hasn't seen, nor ear hasn't heard; it hasn't entered into the heart of man what God has prepared for us." To come face to face with the recognition that you are the son of God, that you have been sent here from the foundation of time to fulfill this and that Christ is the firstborn of many brethren, and to realize that is the level that we are to move on does a shock to the system. It really shocks your mind if you really just catch that. Forget about the arrogance and ego and all that stuff and just realize that this dimension that God has destined for us is so beyond what we have grasped. I know that where we are now we are grasping the changes and talked about judgment. We've talked about dimensional travel, and all of that is a part, but there is a greater vision. I know John Robert Stevens spoke about it years ago. He said, "God is going to commit to us a power that would destroy universes." Not that we are going to go destroy universes. Maybe we will. Grasp the enormity of that. Just like going to the beach and having this little wave--and you can deal with the wave and all of a sudden imagine standing on the beach and a 50-foot tidal wave comes--just ready to fall on you. The enormity of that is a shock to your system. I know that I don't want to restrict my defining of it to limit what God has called us to do. Or our unbelief that exists at this point in acknowledging who we are or even grasp who we are.

LC: You know one of the biggest fallacies in religion, and especially what we came out of, we were always taught to get a revelation of this or that--anything out there other than the revelation here (of yourself.) Because to the degree that you know who you are; you'll be able to know who everybody else is. I used to think, "Hmm, nobody knows who I am." Well, they don't know who they are. How are they going to know who I am? And then I realized, "I haven’t known who I was." To the degree you realize this, everything else opens up and it becomes clear and a part of you instead of striving and trying to attain to this unattainable goal-- which is to be somebody else. All you can ever be is yourself. We spend so much time trying to become something else instead of just being who we are. We were created in perfection and then we spend the rest of this humanity trying to get away from it. We are in an unlearning process. We are not learning anything new; we are just allowing ourselves to let the essence of who we are come out. Just like, you don't have to know everything to know knowledge. You don't have to know time if you know Him who created it. You don't have to know the Bible if you know the author. Who can give you a better answer, the book or the guy who wrote the book? It's a whole shift in our mindset. That's what it is. It is the crucifixion of the limitations that we've inherited in our DNA. We're even talking about that. You are starting to feel the release all the way down to your cell structure. Do you feel that way? Your breathing, your thinking. Everything is coming from your essence instead of through your mind. Or you don't hear with your ears--all of your being is activated to serve a purpose in enhancing your essence. And so you are using these things.

It's like, you watch people who are born with no hands, and they know how to tie their shoes and drive cars and do everything else with their feet. We've been that way. We've been using our feet when we had our hands to work with. We have been conditioned and taught out of that. But now we are getting to the total of our essence, but in harmony with everything that God is doing. An outside observer would say it is a miracle. It is not a miracle. It's a normal. We're finally getting back to the normal plane of being where we can call things into being and create things. Because we're so in tune with the essence and the energy that God has put all of creation through that we realize that we are a part of creation and not just above creation. We get into this energetic thing that we are in harmony with everything else, and it works. It is just that simple. It works. And we're starting to find things that are working for us.

LK: Part of the groaning that we experience in Romans 8 is to come out of this existence and the abnormal. You look at this and say, "This is the normal, or the reality, but it is not." This is the abnormal. To move with limitation is the abnormal, to move without perception is the abnormal, and God is shifting us back into the realm where everything becomes possible. There is no limitation. Romans 8 talks about the renewing of our mind. The whole thing of what we're coming into is wrapped around the renewing of the mind. As this mind is renewed--as we let go--we're able to really grasp and see who we are and understand it. It's like reading something. The act of reading doesn't mean that you have learned what you read. The act of experiencing what you read is knowing. Otherwise all you have is head knowledge. But if you know something, like Adam knew Eve, then you've experienced that.

We were talking also about this planetary thing a little bit. The alignment of the energies and what's happening. The other thing that is beginning to happen--whether we are fully recognizing it or not--has been the shifting of what we call DNA. I see our vibration is changing. Everything in creation is shifting vibrationally. Each person has a certain vibration that is indicative only of them . But there is something happening which is shifting our vibrational essence at the core. To me that's very exciting. The Word says, "Behold, I will do something new." And John Stevens even spoke in '83 or '84 that "God is going to bring a new creation." All things are new when you come into Christ. Well, that's fine and you go walk and you go through this process. There is something else that God is bringing to birth that we have been destined for and I feel it at the very root of our being, and it's a vibrational change. There is something in our whole makeup that is changing. We are going to have to sit there and look at our self and say, "Okay," (snaps his fingers). Typical thing, I break bonds with myself. We really look at it and say, "Whoa! I'm really not who I was yesterday," because there really is this change.

LC: Yeah. It's the "greater works" things. We have "religiousized" so much of God that we have missed the whole energy of it. He said, "Greater works than these I do--you will do--because I go to the Father." Well, we say, He was talking about that He was going to die on the cross and so we could go die on the cross and do it too. That wasn't it. It was the completion of a cycle of energy from God's heart back to God's heart that we are being allowed to experience--the goodness of God's heart in the land of the living. We don't have to go through the complete cycle that He did to reach His essence. That's how we out minister Him. It's not that we go out and heal three more drunks than He did or something like that. It is an energetic level of existence. The whole purpose of the whole trip to this plane was sending His Son to show us how we, on this plane, can live like the Godhead.

And so He did it and He left. Then we attach all of our misconceptions and unbelief. We're going to work it out and perfect it. It is not that. It is just that simple-- an energetic thing. It's vibrations. It is just like the microwave. This whole world is under microwaves. Between the phone and the satellites and the plane and rockets, we are all under microwaves.

What we are talking about is a displacement of negative vibrations with

positive vibrations. That is why when John Stevens used to try to explain to people that gravity was demonic, they would all spin off because they were trying to make a literal connection like, "The very thing that is keeping me from floating in air is demonic!" (laughter) And that's what he wasn't talking about. Gravity itself is a negative energy that holds you down. The positive energy makes you leave. It's not that gravity is bad, gravity is just gravity. If you are not subjected to the laws of gravity then it doesn't count. It's like having diplomatic immunity. We are in this world, not of this world, so we don't have to be bound by the law. You talk about Philip going down to Samaria--all those other different places, all those other different people being transformed, transcended and all that and we all think, "Right." But we take it as a temporary thing instead of seeing it as a permanent address. We have touched on all these things. Just like when we looking at and laughing about the Menehuene picture. Nobody has to tell me about Menehuenes. I hung out with them, so it doesn't have to be proved to me anymore. So people say, "Did you hang out with Menehuenes?" Here look at this picture. "Oh yeah, okay."

We have experienced things in the spirit realm. We make connections with all these different energies. Some we wanted and some we didn't. We are not in the convincing, proving stage anymore. It is an acceptance of who we are and what we are all about, and in that acceptance it radiates through our energy and draws others into it. It is not running out passing out tracts or even having a web site. What we are is who we are. We create more than we know , and the few little things we like to turn around and rave about--talk about how great God is. It's really--it's a thing of energy. It is not a thing of taking credit, "Well, our church raised a thousand dollars and we brought five winos to the Lord on Monday and that same five again on Tuesday. (laughter)

It is an energetic level that as you exist--doesn't the Bible say something about, "If I be lifted up, I will draw all men--."? Exactly. That's where I can see all this stuff is starting to make sense. I can pick up the Bible and read it now and just not throw it back down and say, "Oh sure". Don't be telling me about something that doesn't work."

If I have instructions on how to fix my television and I go through those instructions and they don't work, I'm not going to go back and do the same instructions again. Give me something that works. And Christians have been forced into accepting that "Well, it didn't work. It worked in the past, and it will work in the future, but right now I don't have any television." I want my television now! Don't be giving me that past or future. It is right now. It is a right-now experience.

It doesn't take away the "hits," but everything you know, you are experiencing it, and dealing with it and resolving it right at that time. I hate to say it, but I don't think we are ever going to be without hits or tests, because we are always going to be growing. But it is not going to be this burden that becomes a lifetime bondage to you. You see it, you step through it, and you move on. You mentioned our energy coming from the core. It is not so much that it is being changed--it's just that it is being released in its pure form. That is what's happening. We can talk about it for two hours, but the bottom line is that we change.